Sunday, January 13, 2008

The Ultimate Self-Defense Move?

Image courtesy of USA Weekend

While browsing through my Sunday paper I chanced upon this interesting item. The attacker in theses series of photos is one Bas Rutten, a retired MMA competitor. At 6'2, 210 pounds, Rutten makes for a formidable adversary against the diminutive defender who checks in at 5'2 and 110 pounds. I've never seen this particular escape from a rear choke, but it seems to be heavily reliant upon a rather compliant uke. What do you think?

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Blogger Savage Baptist said...

What do you think?

I think the writers at USA Weekend gotta make a living somehow.

2:11 PM  
Blogger Blackbeltmama said...

They completely lost me after the second move. Compliant uke indeed. There is no way that works any other way.

2:33 PM  
Blogger BSM said...

Ha! We have two escapes that are VERY similar to that one. One is a side head lock and one a rear head lock. They start with an elbow or punch then you do the "escape" part. Let's put it this way: I'd not want to try it against Bas Rutten!

4:15 PM  
Blogger Perpetual Beginner said...

I've seen that one taught at our dojo (though not by my sensei). It can work, but I'd want a) to have a lot of practice, because it has to go smooth and very fast to work if uke isn't going along with it. b) I wouldn't ever try it for real with that big a size differential.

6:49 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

Well at least the article has it right...the ultimate self-defense move is probably awareness. If that one fails, and you have the size and experience disadvantge that this woman has, praying might be the next best option.

7:24 PM  
Blogger Charles James said...

Hi, John

Cause this one does not work in this situation. To complex and requires the guy be somewhat compliant which does not occur in reality.

8:12 PM  
Blogger Rick Matz said...

Compliant? There's the understatement of the year.

I'm not buying it.

10:36 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

Well, I don't know about the move, but I do know that Bas has some of the funniest "Self Defense" videos on the web. I'm not sure whether it's sound advice, but he's definitely passionate.

10:39 PM  
Blogger Hack Shaft said...

At step #3, the victim sacrifices control. Letting go of the attacker's arm allows him to clamp back down on her.

Better to work on creating an opening at that point to get her head out!

And that claim of being The ULTIMATE Self-Defense Move is really kind of laughable.

11:53 PM  
Blogger MARKS said...

Hi, the move is called sukui nage (forgive my spelling). Although Bas dosent look like his resisting much, Once lifted off the ground, if his still holding the head of the defender, a lot of stress is being placed on his back and can be painfull.(like deadlifting using your back instead of legs)This probably forces him let go. Good find!

5:59 AM  
Blogger Steve said...

I took another look and I think that something we're all presuming is that this is Bas' "ultimate move." In reading the article (yes, the first time I was guilty of just looking at the pictures), it's pretty clear that the information is coming from the author of the article and not Bas.

10:06 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Well, since I don't know uke, and TKD isn't known for its throwing moves, it only makes sense to me, simply from a self-defense stance, is that in the end, it's the element of surprise and taking a person off balance that makes that work. I mean, seriously, do you think a big guy would ever expect some little thang to try to pull that on him? Of course not! Hence, element of surprise, and the fact that she's going for his legs- even if she didn't get him in that "sitting in the lap" position, even just trying to take one leg out would make him lose his balance, and then get him in the "vulnerable" position, so she can hopefully still be balanced herself, and could RUN!

10:19 PM  
Blogger frotoe said...

I think the victim would have to be very fast to successfully pull that off. It can be done, but not if there's any hesitation on the victim's part.

5:50 AM  
Blogger Silverstar said...

That picture makes me laugh! She's practically carrying him like a baby! (As someone who does so called "mixed martial arts", he should know better)
There is no way a small woman like that could carry a man that size, so it would not work. Throws are ideally done fast and at no point should you be carrying all of uke's weight. Do that and you risk hurting your back. (I speak from experience)

9:09 AM  
Blogger Miss Chris said...

It looks like all she would do is strangle herself with that move. I've never seen a move like that.

12:22 PM  
Blogger Mathieu said...

I'm with bob patterson.

Hey, if anyone gives in a bit, anything can work.


Were I uke, I'd offer a very strong defense and tori's neck would probably snap with me going down on my back.

Just a thought.

10:39 AM  
Blogger Becky G said...

I am about her size. We have a student about his size. I've never been able to make that move work on him, even when he is totally compliant. He is just too big.

5:22 PM  
Blogger Turtle Press said...

Looks like a good way to end up with broken neck because even if she could bend forward and pick him up (highly unlikely) while he's choking her, he's not just going to let go of her. She'd go down with him and probably snap her neck when they hit they both ground. Yikes, what a silly technique.

8:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is very similar to a 'rear bear hug arms tied' technique taught in our school. I'd prefer not to use it in a rear strangle though! ('similar' used loosely). It does not even look like a strangle. I'm not realy in favour of 'instruction though pictures' :)

Yondan (Jujitsu/Judo)

2:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm surprised that photo technique 2.5 is missing...the hammer fist to his testicles.

Might be doable then but certainly not ultimate.

1:33 PM  

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